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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of young

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon stripler join me as i

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examine

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unexplained creatures strange

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manifestations of remarkable realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board

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as we begin this adventure together

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hey folks welcome to another episode of

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arcane radio here on

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the paranormal king radio network sorry

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about that i'm

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my i'm kind of in the middle of a

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thunderstorm right now and my uh

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my computer went off but i sorry about

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that but i'm your host lon stricker and

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i'm coming to you within a cannon shot

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of historic gettysburg

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in the cryptic mecca of pennsylvania and

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i thank you for joining me now before i

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introduce my guest

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i want to mention an interesting account

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that i recently received by television

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from a witness who at the time

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was living in jasper alabama

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now i'll refer to the witnesses a.l at

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this time i have

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asked a colleague in alabama who lives

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near birmingham to follow up with the

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hey al states that on a summer night

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about four years ago he had walked out

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and as he stood there he observed a

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bright light

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bursting in the yard across the street

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that occurred right after a lightning

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now they all said that everything went

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dark in the neighborhood apparently a

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as he observed where the light flash had

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occurred he noticed a pair of red

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eyes there seemed to be a dark form with

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the red eyes but since it was dark

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nighttime it was hard to make it out now

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the host house and yard across the

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street were owned by a relative

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now once again there was another pair of

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uh who's going to contact al in order to

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investigate this phenomena

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and if i get any information i will post

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so let's get started tonight's guest

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stone arcane radio is cryptozoologist

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ken gerhart

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now ken has traveled the world searching

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for evidence of mysterious animals

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the legendary beasts including bigfoot

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wing creatures and werewolves in

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addition to co-hosting the history

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channel tv series

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missing in alaska ken has appeared in

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episodes of many television series

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ancient aliens true monsters unexplained

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encounters just to name a few

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outback and has visited many ancient

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mysterious sites

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currently appearing on the travel

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so ken thanks very much for joining me

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tonight

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always a pleasure to be with you mr long

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uh man it's an honor and i'm looking

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forward to having some great discussion

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with you

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well you're a difficult guy to crack

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down so i'm pleased to have you join me

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um yeah well you're pretty busy yourself

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but uh yeah it's a good thing right yeah

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it really is so your your recent series

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in search of monsters is the newest

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six week it's been on

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a unique perspective when you have new

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formula on each episode is they'll talk

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that's always the best way to do it

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yeah the mothman episode was quite

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interesting as well as a recent wendy

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original puerto rican chupacabra that we

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other people in recent years now

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investigating these really weird looking

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grotesque dog like animals canids here

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looking at them although they're

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hairless and they have

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a lot of them weird teeth and other

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deformities or

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have uh killed animals in a similar

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unnatural right most animals

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real concrete evidence of that but i've

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seen some tantalizing evidence that

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that some of the killings here have

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taken place that way so keep in mind

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the name chupacabra describes really a

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behavior pattern more than a physical

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description it's

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you know the blood the goat sucker it's

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it's a vampire like uh predator

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so in that respect you may have

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different types of creatures in

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different areas that have displayed

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similar behavior patterns unless they've

301
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but i think for the episode i'm pretty

302
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sure they're going to explore all that

303
00:11:03,190 --> 00:11:00,560
different theories i will be back

304
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in tech uh at a familiar place which is

305
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the property of phyllis canyon

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uh the chupacabra lady who has a mounted

307
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specimen in her

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living room and is had the foresight

309
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really to

310
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start saving flesh samples and things

311
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from these weird animals but

312
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she does continue to have strange

313
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activity around her property so again

314
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those are not the puerto rican

315
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bipedal reptilian spikes down the back

316
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chupacabras that she has that's a

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different type of animal

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but she does believe that they're

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drinking they have

320
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killed her chickens in a vampire-like

321
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fashion which is really bizarre

322
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so that's kind of where the uh i guess

323
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the episode is probably gonna be focused

324
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on that

325
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predation pattern more than anything

326
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else yeah it is interesting because the

327
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um

328
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like you stated the chupacabras the

329
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original super coppers and

330
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in puerto rico look nothing like what

331
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these

332
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and texas really look like uh so you

333
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you know i remember your investigation

334
00:12:13,269 --> 00:12:10,639
you had down in mexico

335
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on a farm where these things had tacked

336
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i think it was either turkeys or

337
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chickens and killed a lot of them there

338
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of course

339
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i i am aware of you looking into a lot

340
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um had stated before i remember

341
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when um that there was an original

342
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investigation well

343
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not original but there was investigation

344
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where

345
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uh these things were described as the

346
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blue dogs a possible mix of

347
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a yeah a mexican uh wolf or such

348
00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:44,320
yeah that's a name that we use here in

349
00:12:47,750 --> 00:12:46,800
texas a lot blue dog the texas blue dogs

350
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just to create some

351
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some delineation from the the original

352
00:12:53,030 --> 00:12:51,839
chupacabra

353
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from puerto rico but you know there's

354
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more than two types even ron and you

355
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remember there's

356
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there have been descriptions of

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quote-unquote chupacabras with wings

358
00:13:06,150 --> 00:13:02,880
in places like chile and northern mexico

359
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and some countries

360
00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:07,920
it seems more reptilian in other

361
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countries it seems more like a

362
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kind of a predator type you know

363
00:13:17,509 --> 00:13:15,440
quadruped or you know so i mean

364
00:13:19,269 --> 00:13:17,519
it seems to be a broad-ranging name

365
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that's being used all across latin

366
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america to describe a lot of

367
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strange creatures but some of them may

368
00:13:28,470 --> 00:13:26,720
have a similar again predation pattern

369
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which is drinking blood if that's true

370
00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:30,399
it's pretty remarkable but

371
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that's where the name comes into play

372
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now i know there have been

373
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um sightings in texas

374
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uh oklahoma and i think there was at

375
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least one of

376
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kansas have these uh have these beasts

377
00:13:47,189 --> 00:13:46,560
moved in any other states in the country

378
00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:47,199
oh yeah

379
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uh mississippi people sent me photos

380
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from mississippi tennessee

381
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maybe kentucky florida

382
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i believe so they kind of most of them

383
00:14:04,389 --> 00:14:01,199
seem to be centered in texas or

384
00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:04,399
reported in texas but it's a it's a

385
00:14:07,269 --> 00:14:06,480
problem or a situation that's spread out

386
00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:07,279
now

387
00:14:12,629 --> 00:14:10,720
of course the uh most

388
00:14:14,069 --> 00:14:12,639
academics have tried to explain it by

389
00:14:16,150 --> 00:14:14,079
saying well

390
00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:16,160
they're they they're just mangy coyotes

391
00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:18,560
they have this disease mange which is a

392
00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:20,480
you know sarcoptic mange is a tiny mite

393
00:14:24,389 --> 00:14:22,240
gets in the skin they scratch the hair

394
00:14:26,629 --> 00:14:24,399
out blah blah blah

395
00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:26,639
that might be a reasonable explanation

396
00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:28,160
in some cases

397
00:14:31,590 --> 00:14:30,480
but anyone who's ever seen an actual

398
00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:31,600
mangy coyote

399
00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:34,240
will can tell you that they actually

400
00:14:37,990 --> 00:14:36,240
it's not a uniform thing they have like

401
00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:38,000
patches of hair all over their body

402
00:14:41,430 --> 00:14:39,680
where they've scratched some places but

403
00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:41,440
not others they can't reach some places

404
00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:42,720
to scratch the hair out

405
00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:44,800
right but these animals seem fairly

406
00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:45,760
uniformly

407
00:14:49,269 --> 00:14:48,000
hairless they have little wispy hairs

408
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:49,279
around their bodies

409
00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:50,800
and sometimes they do have like a little

410
00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:53,120
fringe going down their spine

411
00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:56,240
or hair around their feet so i you know

412
00:14:59,430 --> 00:14:58,079
again a lot of people think disease but

413
00:15:00,949 --> 00:14:59,440
you know i tend to think long that you

414
00:15:02,550 --> 00:15:00,959
know it's a possibility at least that we

415
00:15:03,430 --> 00:15:02,560
could also be dealing with some type of

416
00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:03,440
mutation

417
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:05,440
something yeah that's not little defects

418
00:15:08,310 --> 00:15:06,560
you know because these

419
00:15:10,790 --> 00:15:08,320
animals it seems to be a genetic

420
00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:10,800
situation where these traits are being

421
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:12,720
passed on and the again many of the

422
00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:14,320
animals i've examined have had like just

423
00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:15,120
really

424
00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:18,720
you know unusual malformities and things

425
00:15:22,230 --> 00:15:20,160
that would lead me to believe that

426
00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:22,240
you know maybe that's some genetics

427
00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:23,760
maybe disease and genetics

428
00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:26,800
all wrapped up in one who knows yeah

429
00:15:31,910 --> 00:15:29,120
i've seen uh coyotes with means

430
00:15:33,189 --> 00:15:31,920
here in the east i mean uh maryland and

431
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:33,199
pennsylvania and

432
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:35,120
for the most part most of them are

433
00:15:38,389 --> 00:15:37,440
emaciated as well so they look nothing

434
00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:38,399
like

435
00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:41,519
these these blue dogs that you have down

436
00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:42,560
there

437
00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:45,839
different about them

438
00:15:52,069 --> 00:15:49,120
and um you know it's

439
00:15:52,790 --> 00:15:52,079
it'll be interesting to see what what

440
00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:52,800
results

441
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:55,440
in the future with the these uh these

442
00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:57,839
candidates because um

443
00:16:01,110 --> 00:16:00,639
the fact that people are saying that

444
00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:01,120
they

445
00:16:05,990 --> 00:16:04,320
eat blood you know drink blood and leave

446
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:06,000
the carcasses that's just

447
00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:08,880
wild as far as i'm concerned yeah and

448
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:09,279
these

449
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:14,079
uh ranchers that have dealt with

450
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:15,839
most predators that you would expect you

451
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:17,920
know coyotes bobcats

452
00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:19,839
raccoons possum squirrels whatever

453
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:20,880
there's a lot of things out there

454
00:16:23,829 --> 00:16:21,600
that'll snatch

455
00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:23,839
chickens but that's it they snatch the

456
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:25,279
chicken they don't eat it there in the

457
00:16:27,110 --> 00:16:25,759
pan

458
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:27,120
typically or maybe they'll eat a little

459
00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:29,199
bit and take the rest but

460
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:32,560
and it's usually pretty messy right

461
00:16:35,189 --> 00:16:33,839
i mean that's that's the thing that's

462
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:35,199
that's striking and people have to

463
00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:36,399
remember is that

464
00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:38,000
these the people that are experiencing

465
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:40,079
these situations that you know these are

466
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:41,519
people that are around

467
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:43,040
all types of animals and they've seen a

468
00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:44,800
lot of things so

469
00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:46,720
and you know and they're pretty baffled

470
00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:47,920
by these uh

471
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:50,000
by these killings livestock killings so

472
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:53,199
it's yeah it's notable

473
00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:56,079
now i had received some questions from

474
00:17:02,069 --> 00:16:57,600
some of my readers to ask you

475
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:02,079
tonight uh russell had asked me

476
00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:05,439
do you believe that the mothman and the

477
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:08,799
owl man which is mostly known for in the

478
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:10,079
uk

479
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:12,240
um are they the same creature do you

480
00:17:17,590 --> 00:17:14,880
believe they are

481
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:17,600
i think that it's possible that they

482
00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:19,439
might be related i don't think they're

483
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:21,520
exactly the same creature but perhaps

484
00:17:25,909 --> 00:17:22,319
the same

485
00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:25,919
phenomenon that generates these things

486
00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:27,679
wherever they come from or whatever they

487
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:30,160
are the main similarity and there's some

488
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:32,080
pretty dramatic differences in terms of

489
00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:34,320
like the size mothman was

490
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:36,000
said to typically stand about six and a

491
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:38,000
half feet tall i think owlman's much

492
00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:39,600
shorter

493
00:17:44,830 --> 00:17:42,240
mothman was said by most witnesses to

494
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:44,840
have kind of dark

495
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:48,160
uniform uh kind of a texture to the skin

496
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:48,880
whereas

497
00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:51,280
alamann was reported as having kind of a

498
00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:52,720
plumage or

499
00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:55,600
furry type gray covering um but there

500
00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:57,280
are similarities in terms of the large

501
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:59,200
glowing red eyes that's been reported of

502
00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:00,160
course in

503
00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:03,200
uh with both creases creatures

504
00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:06,400
and also they're both have been

505
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:08,559
pretty much reported in the same

506
00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:10,400
location in terms of

507
00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:12,240
you know mothman in and around point

508
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,520
pleasant i know there were some

509
00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:15,360
sightings down in charleston and

510
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:17,200
right maybe over across the river in

511
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:18,400
ohio

512
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:21,600
um owl man has always been reported

513
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:25,280
in the woods uh near mount and church

514
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:28,160
and cemetery right there on the cornish

515
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:29,679
coast of england

516
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:32,400
um one of the things i talked about in

517
00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:35,840
my flying humanoid book is the fact that

518
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:38,960
it seems like the majority of site

519
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:41,760
witnesses people that experience things

520
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:42,000
like

521
00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:45,039
mothman and owl man are either a

522
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:47,679
juvenile younger people and by younger i

523
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:49,200
don't mean you know always children but

524
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:49,600
maybe

525
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:52,240
adolescents teenagers and there seem to

526
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:54,160
be more witnesses that are females as

527
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:56,000
according to male

528
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:57,360
so you know there was some wild

529
00:19:02,390 --> 00:18:59,039
speculation but

530
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:02,400
um at the risk of offending anybody

531
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:04,720
if we could acknowledge that females

532
00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:05,919
perhaps

533
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:08,400
tend to have more of an emotional

534
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:09,520
capacity

535
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:11,440
than males because of their the fact

536
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:12,400
that they're mothers and they're

537
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:13,840
nurturing and those types of things they

538
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,160
have those instincts

539
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,640
moreover younger females often go

540
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:20,320
through hormonal changes that cause them

541
00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:22,480
to be very emotional

542
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:24,160
and you know one of the theories about

543
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:25,840
things like mothman and owl man is that

544
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:26,720
they are

545
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,760
uh psychic vampires we were just talking

546
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:30,960
about

547
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:32,559
traditional vampires but that they

548
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:34,320
somehow these creatures these flying

549
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,720
creatures somehow feed off of emotional

550
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:38,400
energy such as fear

551
00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:41,840
or you know who knows and that kind of

552
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:43,840
there are many many accounts of them you

553
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:46,640
know basically terrorizing people

554
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:48,799
chasing young women chasing their cars

555
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,480
popping up out of the darkness

556
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:52,400
they never actually physically attack

557
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:53,600
anybody but

558
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,360
they seem to really scare the bejesus

559
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:57,440
out of people and um i just think that's

560
00:20:02,390 --> 00:19:58,640
an interesting

561
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:02,400
uh coincidence well that you know

562
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:05,360
with the the wing humanoid encounters

563
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:07,280
that i've been documenting the past two

564
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:08,400
years

565
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,440
it does seem like those beings are

566
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:13,919
also you know show those type of

567
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:16,240
characteristics that they

568
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,640
you know they they kind of feed off the

569
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:20,000
fear or they project

570
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,240
some type of fear other than just

571
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:24,000
someone being shocked by seeing the

572
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:25,120
thing

573
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:28,159
um i don't know i mean this may be

574
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:29,840
something that's indicative of these

575
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,039
winged these winged

576
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:35,200
yeah beans i mean it may be it's just

577
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:36,799
it's all speculation of course

578
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:38,960
sure just it seems to be a as you look

579
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:40,320
at and i know you've looked at like you

580
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:41,120
said a lot of

581
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,520
uh accounts and sightings and reports i

582
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,039
of course did when i was researching my

583
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,880
flying humanoid book and

584
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:48,960
you know you kind of tend to focus a

585
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,799
researcher you of course focus on the

586
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,039
commonalities the patterns that pop

587
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,120
up and when you start noticing certain

588
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:57,039
types of people or certain

589
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,960
factors involved in different cases it's

590
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:00,240
just you know it's kind of interesting

591
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:02,960
and it's worth noting

592
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:06,559
now uh russell did ask me to ask you

593
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,120
again

594
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,919
um now i know you have investigated the

595
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,039
uh

596
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:13,679
the point pleasant mothman and and all

597
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:14,159
the

598
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:30,390
um you know i admittedly i haven't put a

599
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:30,880
lot of

600
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:34,080
uh focus on the injured cold aspect of

601
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:34,640
the mob

602
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,880
man i know that was kind of you know

603
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,840
john keel

604
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:40,159
and um what was his name the guy that

605
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:41,440
wrote silver bridge

606
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,799
it's escaping me right now john's buddy

607
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,559
the ufo researcher

608
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:49,200
in a second um you know they kind of

609
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:51,200
there were some similarities

610
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:54,559
or i guess some coincidences in terms of

611
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,880
the timing and the locations of you know

612
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:58,640
the injured cold encounter alleged

613
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,760
injured cold encounter and uh

614
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,440
and the mothman kind of in that same

615
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:05,919
region around the same time period

616
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,720
um but no i don't necessarily i'm not

617
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,559
primarily a ufologist i'm a

618
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,000
cryptozoologist so i tend

619
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:14,880
to focus on the theories that deal more

620
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,440
with

621
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,960
you know the the animal like

622
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:18,640
characteristics of these different

623
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:19,840
creatures

624
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,280
um and you know john keel and of course

625
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:25,200
others had explored that other theory so

626
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:26,400
i didn't feel like it was

627
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:27,679
something that you know really

628
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,840
interested me enough to kind of

629
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,600
you know gray barker that was his name

630
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:34,000
great oh yeah great marker okay

631
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:35,840
yeah so they you know those guys kind of

632
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,320
came from that background they had that

633
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:40,720
i won't say bias but you know john keel

634
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:41,919
and gray barker had both been

635
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:44,000
investigating a lot of ufo cases before

636
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:45,679
the mothman happened

637
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:48,880
um you know john keel of course also at

638
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:49,760
times

639
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,280
considered himself a bit of a

640
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:53,440
demonologist allegedly that he referred

641
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:54,640
himself so he thought there were you

642
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,600
know some kind of

643
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:57,600
you know that was his his bias he saw

644
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:59,440
some connections or links with all of

645
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:01,120
these different things

646
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,880
tend to be that that kind of guy it

647
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,559
seemed like that kind of researcher

648
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,080
where he liked to

649
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,679
to to explore those different types of

650
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,280
links and connections

651
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,280
um i've approached the mothman as a

652
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,880
purely objective

653
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,280
you know you know it's it's it has

654
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,200
animal-like characteristics people say

655
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:19,440
it you know it flies around

656
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:23,360
um it has wings and legs

657
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,320
um it's big you know what could it be

658
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,080
and of course i you know it wasn't

659
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,799
long uh before i started investigating

660
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:32,240
these things that i ruled out

661
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:33,679
you know anything flesh and blood

662
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,159
anything you know unknown animal

663
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,840
that that could be misinterpreted or

664
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,280
anything like that it's just so

665
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:41,919
weird the physical descriptions and the

666
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:42,559
the act

667
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,520
behaviors that are displayed by mothman

668
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:46,960
are all just so utterly bizarre and

669
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:49,360
weird that they they have to be

670
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:52,400
something you know from beyond yeah

671
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,279
that's

672
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:55,200
however you want to characterize that

673
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,240
exactly i mean that's the way i have

674
00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:00,960
you know when i when i first started

675
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:01,840
looking into

676
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:04,640
a lot of this um these wing beings and

677
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,840
uh

678
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,080
yeah you're right how could one of these

679
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,520
some of these things be indigenous i

680
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:11,679
mean there's just no way

681
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,440
that that can happen they got to come

682
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,039
from somewhere other

683
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,960
than being on this earth plane i mean

684
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,400
they're showing up

685
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:20,720
they may actually be solid beings

686
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:21,679
corporal beings

687
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,760
but they don't have a physical presence

688
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,080
whatever they are they are physical they

689
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,600
are physical at the time they

690
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,520
place they choose to be physical but

691
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,279
their origin is not

692
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:35,440
in the fossil history it's something

693
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,120
that's far beyond our comprehension

694
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:40,799
yeah well it's a mystery and it's going

695
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,039
to be a mystery i'm afraid for a while

696
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,279
i'm just you know more i look into this

697
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,760
thing i think i'm more confused that yet

698
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,520
there's a lot of questions that pop up

699
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,760
with this whole phenomena

700
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:53,520
absolutely i've had some interesting you

701
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:56,320
know i know you you're one of the

702
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:59,679
really the leaders in terms of getting a

703
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,080
lot of

704
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,080
good reports and eyewitness sightings

705
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:03,600
out there and i commend you for that lon

706
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,960
you do a great job with that and it's

707
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:05,919
always

708
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,120
interesting to to read a lot of those i

709
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,840
of course get contacted from time to

710
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:13,840
time by people that have had

711
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,200
experiences and you know they need to

712
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,720
try to get some answers or some

713
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:21,120
resolution very recently

714
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:25,200
i spoke to a gentleman from west texas

715
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,919
uh who contacted me i guess he he found

716
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:29,679
out about my research and he claims that

717
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:32,320
back in 2014

718
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,480
uh he had seen a a flying humanoid type

719
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,760
creature now this was

720
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,679
about eight o'clock at night he stepped

721
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:41,679
out side to have a cigarette after

722
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,640
dinner

723
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,720
and he says he was smoking he saw this

724
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,080
thing in the sky and he

725
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,159
says it was about in his estimation

726
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:50,400
about 13 feet long

727
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,440
very powerful and muscular huge wings a

728
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:55,360
long tail and he said this is weird he

729
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,159
said it had horns on its head

730
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,159
that went straight back not like curled

731
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,679
like a ram

732
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,520
and he didn't have feathers that had

733
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,279
kind of like bat like wings

734
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,919
arms and legs like a human and it said

735
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:09,679
it just looked down at him as it glided

736
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,000
over

737
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,000
and now that particular area where he

738
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:14,400
claims he saw it is a town called tohoka

739
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:17,840
texas very recently i had written about

740
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:20,559
a another couple that i interviewed from

741
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,200
nearby

742
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:23,279
a town called big spring who had seen

743
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:24,240
this giant

744
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,679
12-foot flying humanoid soaring overhead

745
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,279
and they said it had long flowing hair

746
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,880
but was very powerful

747
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,799
and also very recently i spoke to a

748
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:33,919
gentleman in in

749
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,480
mexico who's who describes something

750
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:39,039
very similar so you know unlike the mod

751
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,559
i mean mothman was obviously a

752
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,480
fairly sizable thing but there seem to

753
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,080
be some recurring features that are

754
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,760
coming up in all these reports lately

755
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,520
that they're they're giants

756
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,880
you know they're they're not just flying

757
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,799
humanoids but they're like 12

758
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:52,640
feet tall they're very powerful and

759
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:54,000
muscular

760
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,000
and um you know the black eyes i think

761
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:00,159
has been reported or big black eyes so

762
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,080
you know not not sure if it's exactly

763
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,000
related to the mothman phenomenon

764
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,200
but um you know that is interesting that

765
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,880
there are new reports coming in and they

766
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,559
kind of fit a pattern

767
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:13,919
yeah there are a lot of different

768
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,279
reports coming in i mean it's um

769
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,520
you know we've been mostly focused in

770
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,960
the upper midwest but

771
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,399
you know we are occasionally getting

772
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:25,039
reports just like we had a um

773
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:28,399
i had received three separate reports of

774
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:32,240
something down in pasco county florida

775
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,120
that

776
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:35,600
looked i mean it was described very much

777
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:36,480
like

778
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:39,520
what was going on around chicago

779
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:42,880
and uh you know i

780
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,120
i had no idea if it was related but i

781
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:46,960
mean it was very similar to what people

782
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,200
were

783
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:50,080
reporting i had got a report in texas i

784
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:50,799
got one in

785
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,760
ohio and you know you you mentioned to

786
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:54,880
me a couple years

787
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,399
ago not long after i started receiving

788
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,399
these reports out of chicago that you

789
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,600
had received

790
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:03,360
at least every one report out of

791
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:04,720
milwaukee

792
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:08,480
and uh i also received some reports in

793
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,000
the milwaukee area as well

794
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,200
so you know i don't know exactly

795
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,360
if this is just expanding out from

796
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:16,720
chicago

797
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:20,399
but i am documenting reports

798
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:24,080
like 200 250 miles radius from

799
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,919
uh from the chicago area so

800
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:30,480
you know it seems like the whole lake

801
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:31,520
michigan

802
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:34,880
area is starting to

803
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:38,399
really uh light up as far as this

804
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,470
yeah i'll agree with you there i've

805
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,559
gotten a lot of reports now

806
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:46,159
most of the reports i've gotten levy

807
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,600
have described

808
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,679
not necessarily mothman type creatures

809
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,600
but more of the traditional thunderbird

810
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:53,039
type things like right

811
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:56,240
you know giant birds with you know 15 20

812
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,360
foot wing spans

813
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,919
feathers beaks i've gotten a lot of

814
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:01,679
reports of those lately in that area

815
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,960
you're describing northern illinois

816
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,960
michigan has been kind of a hotbed of a

817
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,720
lot of sightings from michigan lately

818
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,880
so you're right there is something about

819
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,000
the great lakes area

820
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:14,240
that seems to generate a lot of winged

821
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:15,120
creature

822
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,320
reports for some reason yeah well

823
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,840
like i said before i'm sure we're gonna

824
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,520
be getting a lot more

825
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:22,960
i think we're gonna we're gonna be in

826
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:26,880
for a busy summer at least um

827
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:30,000
now the last time we talked uh we you

828
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,720
had mentioned

829
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:32,960
some of the interesting adventures you

830
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:33,760
had to run into

831
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:36,880
while shooting missing in alaska and

832
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:39,919
uh i'm sure you'll agree that paranormal

833
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:43,520
tv is always fun and games

834
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,159
and of course you you had an issue at

835
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,000
one point as well

836
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,840
where you had gotten injured and we

837
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:51,279
talked about that

838
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,399
yeah i broke my ankle and it was i mean

839
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,559
strangely enough it was doing an episode

840
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,039
about these kind of demonic

841
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,720
as i should call them demonic because

842
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:02,399
they were almost like native american

843
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,880
but

844
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,799
the native american version of demonic

845
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:06,000
very negative and

846
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,840
you know kind of apparitions ghost

847
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:10,000
spirits that were associated with

848
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:10,960
negative energy

849
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,559
so um that's one of the things that

850
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,559
happened i mean i don't

851
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,120
you know i can't specifically say that

852
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,880
that was the link but i i certainly

853
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,080
didn't break my ankle

854
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,559
on the sea monster episode or the big

855
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:26,799
foot episode

856
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:30,159
it was the the nahani the negative dark

857
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,880
spirit

858
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,360
episode so yeah but he made for

859
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:35,440
interesting television i do

860
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,960
i will tell you that i mean uh uh

861
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,640
it was quite a struggle because you're

862
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:42,240
out in the middle of nowhere trying to

863
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,720
find

864
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,159
trying to get out of there so you can

865
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,399
get medical assistance yeah

866
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,480
it was a bad bad one of the worst

867
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,240
experiences of my life nobody ever wants

868
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,000
to get injured but particularly

869
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,000
you know kind of a wilderness area it's

870
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:55,919
uh always kind of harrowing

871
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,760
but you know life life goes on you know

872
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:01,440
hopefully i'll be a little more careful

873
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:04,399
next time

874
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:07,440
yeah and i don't generally do paranormal

875
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:08,159
research

876
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,519
or you know anything way way you know

877
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,559
anything dealing with

878
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,159
you know kind of negative energies and

879
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,480
attachments i try to now some of the

880
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:18,320
stuff kind of touches on that i guess

881
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:19,840
some of the mothman stuff

882
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:23,200
and occasionally i'll get some kind of

883
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,799
darker kind of cases like that but you

884
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,399
know again i'm more of i try to be more

885
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:29,919
of a traditional cryptozoologist and

886
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,559
looking

887
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:32,320
for you know basically things that could

888
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,360
be undiscovered animals and

889
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,679
well you know sometimes it's weird but

890
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,440
it's kind of hard to avoid it though in

891
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,200
some cases because

892
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,600
these things do seem to tie in together

893
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:45,279
or connect together

894
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,399
uh in some instances i mean it

895
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:50,880
just seems like that's what i run into

896
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,720
all the time or i'm investigating or

897
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,120
researching something and i got one or

898
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:56,960
two or three different things coming in

899
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,600
with it

900
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:59,600
as far as trying to explain what's going

901
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,720
on

902
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,600
yeah it is it is hard to separate the

903
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:05,279
wheat from the chaff sometimes that's

904
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:05,840
for sure

905
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:09,440
exactly so um one of my

906
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:12,320
readers named jennifer she she asked me

907
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:13,120
about

908
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,240
make it to the show

909
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,159
uh was there anything interesting that

910
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,559
you think they missed

911
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:29,039
well um this is an interesting story

912
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,320
they um

913
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:32,320
there was one episode that kind of got

914
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:33,600
changed out

915
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:36,399
uh initially the producers wanted to do

916
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:36,640
an

917
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,200
up in some remote parts of alaska

918
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:45,279
and i i wasn't familiar with this of

919
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,399
course not

920
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,640
an area of my research but according to

921
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:50,559
research they had done

922
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,679
there allegedly are satanists and cults

923
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:55,440
that move to alaska because it's very

924
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,480
remote and they

925
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:59,120
you know can go i just stay hidden a

926
00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:00,240
little bit better and that they will

927
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:01,600
recruit people to

928
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:04,559
to be in these cults or um you know

929
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,640
abduct people and

930
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:09,039
so you know it's pretty pretty scary

931
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:10,880
weird stuff and

932
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,770
but for whatever reason the um

933
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,080
[Music]

934
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:16,159
the history channel felt uncomfortable

935
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:17,679
with the subject matter they didn't want

936
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,399
to do any

937
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,000
episodes that had to do with anything

938
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:22,720
with satanism or anything like that

939
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:25,600
so ultimately they dropped that idea and

940
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:26,960
instead they

941
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,440
we did an episode on a kind of a mermaid

942
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,360
type creature called the qual pollock

943
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:33,840
kind of a native american mermaid type

944
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,880
thing that's been

945
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,799
right off the coast which was cool that

946
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:39,360
was a kind of a fun episode but

947
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,279
um you know there was uh we were also

948
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,880
on that same note i mean i was

949
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,720
personally concerned if we were

950
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:48,559
picked up for a second season which we

951
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:50,080
weren't but uh

952
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,840
if they had been talking about a second

953
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:54,000
season just looking at the native

954
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,880
american

955
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,600
alaskan the inuit legends and things i

956
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,039
didn't really see a lot of

957
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,120
other story ideas that we didn't cover

958
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,360
already you know there was

959
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,519
maybe a few little chris they have like

960
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:06,720
a walrus man

961
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,240
and a uh there's kind of a

962
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,639
a thing called the ablet which is kind

963
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,240
of like a werewolf

964
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,560
witch type thing but beyond that we

965
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:17,760
pretty much

966
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:20,639
hit all the alaskan you know creatures

967
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:21,280
that i could

968
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:24,159
you know find out about so yeah i didn't

969
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,119
know if there was a lot of

970
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:27,119
sustainability long term i didn't want

971
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,560
to get into the

972
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,679
business of making things up which there

973
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,599
are other shows up in alaska that

974
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:35,440
evidently do that so i didn't want to

975
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,800
you know be involved in that kind of

976
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,079
thing but

977
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,079
um beyond that i don't remember this is

978
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:42,079
a funny story i don't want to go on this

979
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,520
too long if you don't want me to but

980
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,599
sure um when we

981
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:48,159
showed up to film in alaska and of

982
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:49,760
course it was myself

983
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,200
uh my buddy jax who's a

984
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,119
private investigator yeah i've

985
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:57,119
interviewed jax before he's a very

986
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:57,760
interesting

987
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,480
guy he is he's a man's man and then you

988
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:02,240
got tommy who's the native

989
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,599
clingit native guy and you know uh

990
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,599
very down to earth very artist very cool

991
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,920
guy anyways the three of us we got there

992
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:12,240
and the producers were having us a lot

993
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,359
of our filming

994
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,680
was uh basically going on these really

995
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,000
long hikes through very treacherous

996
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,480
places so they would they would go out

997
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,599
and find these areas

998
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,839
that were very challenging and difficult

999
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:26,160
steep elevations and

1000
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,680
wading through waist deep snow and

1001
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,280
climbing glacier all these things and

1002
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:33,119
they would just take us out there and

1003
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:34,000
you know we'd

1004
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:35,440
go up there and they'd film us going up

1005
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,119
there going down there through there and

1006
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,960
it was very challenging and according to

1007
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:40,480
jax it was a little bit dangerous

1008
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,520
because we couldn't see where we're

1009
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:43,280
stepping and stuff and

1010
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:46,800
um ultimately they didn't use

1011
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,960
but two seconds of that in each episode

1012
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,720
like we were walking miles and miles and

1013
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:54,000
miles and then when i watched the

1014
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,520
episodes they would put in like two

1015
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:57,359
seconds of us walking through that and i

1016
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,240
just thought

1017
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:00,640
why the heck did they help us do all

1018
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,440
that yeah that had to be

1019
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,599
all that hiking they didn't weren't

1020
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,720
going to use it but

1021
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,800
anyways i thought that's kind of a funny

1022
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:10,240
story just a little peek behind the

1023
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:11,760
scenes that sometimes they're putting

1024
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:12,640
the

1025
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,839
and you know not

1026
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:18,400
you know for really no good reason well

1027
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:19,440
i i tell you

1028
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,560
you know watching that show

1029
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,640
i mean i've got swords just watching

1030
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,880
because just imagine what you guys were

1031
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,320
going through

1032
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,480
i mean like you said all the hiking and

1033
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:31,920
all the stuff that was

1034
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,880
going on it had to be an exhausting

1035
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,359
experience

1036
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:39,520
yeah it was and you know another funny

1037
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,480
story is that

1038
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,960
um you know we had a lot of young

1039
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,240
production assistants

1040
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,720
on the on the crew and the crew grew

1041
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,839
every day i mean every

1042
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,440
today morning we'd show up there'd be

1043
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:51,119
like someone else new so it got to the

1044
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:52,720
point where we just had a ridiculously

1045
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,480
large group at times but um these young

1046
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,400
production assistants their job is to go

1047
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,800
out and get snacks and food for us

1048
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,400
you know during the breaks in between

1049
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:04,800
meals and um

1050
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,359
jax was upset because you know jax was

1051
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,040
kind of a pretty healthy guy and you

1052
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,200
know very fitness oriented

1053
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:13,440
they would go out and get like you know

1054
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:14,800
mini candy bars

1055
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:17,599
like little bags of leis and things like

1056
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,400
that

1057
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,320
and jax would get so upset because he'd

1058
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,880
be like dude we just climbed a mountain

1059
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:25,359
we need like real food and protein that

1060
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:26,400
was not like

1061
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:29,920
bite-sized you know nestle's crunch bars

1062
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,240
and things like that

1063
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:34,079
so eventually they figured it out these

1064
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:35,760
young people which you know i understand

1065
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:36,000
we

1066
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,320
getting involved absolutely

1067
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,880
yeah you know it was their food which i

1068
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:44,560
but eventually they did start getting us

1069
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,280
like more

1070
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:48,000
you know protein beef jerky and fresh

1071
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,720
fruit and

1072
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:50,400
you know things like that that we could

1073
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,670
pretty funny it is an interesting

1074
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:57,920
perspective

1075
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,480
um you know every time i i get ready to

1076
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,400
talk to you

1077
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,400
in an interview i start getting people

1078
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:08,000
asking me about dogman

1079
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,359
and they want to know what ken thinks

1080
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,359
about dog man upright canines and the

1081
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,800
whole phenomena

1082
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,280
so once again i'm gonna ask you and i do

1083
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,800
by the way do you have another doll man

1084
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,200
symposium coming up this year

1085
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:21,839
man lon honestly people ask me that a

1086
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:22,480
lot

1087
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,520
um if you've ever organized an event you

1088
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,440
oh i could certainly can appreciate it's

1089
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,560
a lot of work

1090
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,800
it takes a lot of time to do a good one

1091
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,359
i mean and i i have had people that have

1092
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,839
offered to help me and stuff so i mean

1093
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:38,240
but still in all i've just got so many

1094
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,960
things going

1095
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:41,359
on and it's just been hard for me to

1096
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:42,320
find the time

1097
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,440
anytime to to work on that but

1098
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,200
if people will just have hope that

1099
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,280
someday we will figure out a way to to

1100
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,119
get another one going i mean that is

1101
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,680
something that's been discussed um but

1102
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,280
with regard to dog man

1103
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,440
um you know admittedly that's not really

1104
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,760
been a main area of expertise

1105
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,000
of my research not because i don't find

1106
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:03,760
it fascinating but

1107
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,359
honestly because i don't get a lot of

1108
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,599
reports here in texas i think it seems

1109
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:09,359
to be more of like a

1110
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:11,599
you know michigan wisconsin pennsylvania

1111
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:12,640
kentucky

1112
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,839
yeah ohio kind of thing but um they are

1113
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,760
i know they are spreading out now and

1114
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,599
you know you were talking about alabama

1115
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:21,200
right in the the those accounts at the

1116
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,079
beginning of the show

1117
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,960
so crazy down there it does seem to have

1118
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,040
a lot i mean you have the famous we're

1119
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:29,040
going way back to 1971 you have

1120
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:30,400
something called the wolf woman of

1121
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,280
mobile

1122
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,520
right you know over at 10 period police

1123
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:35,760
and newspapers received about 50 calls

1124
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:38,240
for about a half woman half wolf

1125
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,000
said to prowl the suburbs of mobile i

1126
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,760
mean and even recently i know i've read

1127
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:46,000
on your site and linda godfrey's books

1128
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,280
and elsewhere a lot of

1129
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,280
seemingly a lot of alabama accounts i

1130
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,200
mean even very recent accounts

1131
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,880
and some of them very aggressive you

1132
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,320
know there was a guy

1133
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,000
that was fishing in his boat back in

1134
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,560
2007 and he says this thing came out of

1135
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,240
the water adam and he had to empty his

1136
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:02,320
pistol into it you know

1137
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,839
it didn't even faze so you have a lot of

1138
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,359
those aggressive so

1139
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:07,760
yeah i definitely think alabama has a

1140
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,480
lot of potential for that type of thing

1141
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,480
but you know i i tend to view the dog

1142
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,240
man phenomenon as very much

1143
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:17,040
in step with mothman i think it's a

1144
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:18,400
similar type of thing

1145
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:21,599
i think it's a i think it's

1146
00:40:27,150 --> 00:40:25,200
a spectral phenomenon or a manifestation

1147
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:27,160
a physical manifestation of something

1148
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,319
[Music]

1149
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:30,800
some type of energy or if some people

1150
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,440
want to

1151
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,720
say that it's you know an

1152
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,480
interdimensional thing something that's

1153
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,000
coming from another reality another

1154
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,400
plane of existence and somehow

1155
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,440
it's a construct and

1156
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,040
the only way you could explain that is

1157
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:45,200
because again like the mothman there's

1158
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:45,520
no

1159
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:51,040
basis to say that something like a dog

1160
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,400
man could exist

1161
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,000
now i know some dog man researchers

1162
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,599
think that these things are canids that

1163
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,960
have learned to walk upright on their

1164
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,079
hind legs but

1165
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,000
the hip structures between humans and

1166
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,319
canids are so utterly different

1167
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,920
and the weight distribution the way

1168
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,680
canines are designed

1169
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,440
i don't think that there is a way they

1170
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,680
could easily you know despite the fact

1171
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,280
that sometimes your dog at home will get

1172
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,800
up on his hind legs and hop around a

1173
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:14,560
little bit that doesn't mean that

1174
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,760
a canid could adapt to fluidly walk in a

1175
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:19,599
bipedal motion i don't think that

1176
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,640
anyways

1177
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:23,040
um so i think these things are much like

1178
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:26,319
the mothman they're kind of specters

1179
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,760
there's also a lot of weirdness

1180
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,440
associated with the dogman sightings

1181
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:31,280
that i've heard of you know the strange

1182
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,560
mists

1183
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:35,280
and the kind of paranormal attachments

1184
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,400
that people experience

1185
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,839
after a sighting where they have all

1186
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,359
these bad things happening and

1187
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:40,800
poltergeist activity

1188
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:43,839
and people become violently ill

1189
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:46,839
um so to me it just seems like very

1190
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,079
strange uh kind of high strangeness so i

1191
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:52,079
i think these things are and you know

1192
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,440
you could certainly make a case that

1193
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:55,200
they've been around

1194
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,960
you know for centuries and you know

1195
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,200
looking at werewolf legends and things

1196
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,880
throughout europe and elsewhere and this

1197
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,640
is just the latest the dog man's just

1198
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,720
the latest version right

1199
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,440
um so that's that's what i think is you

1200
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:09,119
know

1201
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,640
i think i'll just kind of think along

1202
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:12,400
the same lines i do because

1203
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,920
you know i um i'm beginning to believe

1204
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:18,160
that this being is more supernatural

1205
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:19,280
than

1206
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,640
uh indigenous now i mean

1207
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,319
especially with some of the reports

1208
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:26,079
we've been receiving around here you

1209
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:27,599
know people

1210
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:31,520
i don't know and i i have heard of other

1211
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,480
sightings

1212
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,319
where people would take a shot at one of

1213
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,480
these things and it

1214
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,920
just would go right through them even

1215
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,599
though you know it looks like it's

1216
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,720
a solid being yeah right

1217
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:45,839
that kind of stuff yeah and the shrouded

1218
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,480
mists

1219
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,400
and the you know the the famous case

1220
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:50,160
that linda documented where one of these

1221
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:50,960
things

1222
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,240
spoke in an inhuman voice you know to

1223
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,160
gaidara or whatever i mean there's a lot

1224
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,400
of just weird aspects to the to the dog

1225
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,240
man phenomenon and you know what lord

1226
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,720
i've gotten the the accounts that i have

1227
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,760
gotten lately where people have

1228
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:05,200
approached me at different events and

1229
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:06,400
told me i've had

1230
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:09,520
actually over the last year at least

1231
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,160
three

1232
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,240
people tell me that they had have had

1233
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,079
dogman sightings

1234
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,480
but in each case the thing was looking

1235
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,760
in the window at them

1236
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:19,200
which is a really creepy thing but it

1237
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,400
seems like a lot of people will have

1238
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,920
that experience where

1239
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,599
they look out their window and they see

1240
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:25,359
this dog man

1241
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,480
creature kind of sneering at them from

1242
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,000
outside

1243
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,040
and so that's that's very weird and

1244
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:34,880
creepy but i have heard that from

1245
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,040
multiple different unrelated sources

1246
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,440
that that's what they experienced

1247
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,880
do you find that a lot too are there a

1248
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:42,160
lot of accounts of them peeking in

1249
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,520
people's windows and just

1250
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:45,760
scaring the bejesus out of people i have

1251
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:46,560
received

1252
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,240
two reports over the years where

1253
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:53,040
one was seen looking through a window

1254
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,000
and the other

1255
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:56,800
was seen while the witness was looking

1256
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:57,760
out the window

1257
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,280
and it was standing there looking at it

1258
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,400
so uh it does seem

1259
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,480
that some of these things are curious

1260
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:08,319
but it also seems that it has some

1261
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:09,359
ability

1262
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,720
to know when people are looking at it um

1263
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,880
that's interesting yeah and you know

1264
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,319
we've been hearing that you know i

1265
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:18,160
talked to stan gordon about this a while

1266
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,119
back

1267
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:21,839
we have been we have noticed here in

1268
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:23,440
pennsylvania

1269
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:27,680
from several you know witnesses that

1270
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:32,560
when they see a bigfoot like creature

1271
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:36,319
that when the creature actually

1272
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,760
realizes that it's being seen that it's

1273
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,680
you know that it's visible to the

1274
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,119
witness they

1275
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:46,000
seem to react like they can't believe it

1276
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:48,839
or they're shocked or surprised

1277
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:52,000
um so now i don't know what that's all

1278
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:52,960
about but

1279
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,790
yeah but you know it's it's again it's

1280
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,560
always interesting when you find these

1281
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,480
patterns or

1282
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,480
seeming pat seemingly you know there are

1283
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:08,400
these patterns with with some of these

1284
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,680
different types of creatures um

1285
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,520
and you know i think ultimately when we

1286
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:15,599
at the dogman symposium we did have kind

1287
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,319
of an open discussion at the end

1288
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,560
you know a lot of people were there um i

1289
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:22,079
think you at the time

1290
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:23,200
you may have been dealing with some

1291
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:24,720
things and couldn't make it yeah i could

1292
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,359
make it

1293
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:27,839
yeah but between like linda and stan

1294
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,720
gordon and

1295
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,720
you know me and nick redfern david

1296
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,319
weather all this kind of john tenney i

1297
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,680
was kind of putting our heads together

1298
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,960
we you know kind of all were in

1299
00:45:39,309 --> 00:45:36,000
agreement that

1300
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,319
the dog man was some type of spectral

1301
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,079
manifestation and of course the word

1302
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:44,160
tulpa came up a lot because

1303
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,680
you know one of the one of the um

1304
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,440
inferences you can draw from the dogman

1305
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,040
phenomenon is that

1306
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:53,680
you know back in like the late 1980s

1307
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,000
early 1990 when the bister bray road

1308
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:58,000
first kind of made the scene

1309
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,839
that's when it seemed like the dog man

1310
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,160
sightings began to trickle in

1311
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,720
and i mean now it's a flood i mean

1312
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,800
there's so many sightings that are just

1313
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,240
and they're popping up everywhere right

1314
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:10,480
not only in north america but i have

1315
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:13,040
contacts in south america australia

1316
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,800
south africa that are all sending me

1317
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:15,680
sightings

1318
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,200
so it would almost seem peripherally

1319
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,319
like we're giving this thing life by you

1320
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,599
know

1321
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:25,200
it's becoming grain kind of in the

1322
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,839
public consciousness that these things

1323
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,079
exist

1324
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,000
and it's like we're kind of giving them

1325
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,760
life so to speak because you know

1326
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,440
they're they're proliferating and

1327
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:34,800
popping up everywhere i don't know i

1328
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,440
mean that's

1329
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:38,079
you know that's kind of wild speculation

1330
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:41,680
but uh i think that's a very strong

1331
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,000
piece of evidence to illustrate that the

1332
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,839
phenomenon is related to us

1333
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,920
that we are somehow able to project

1334
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:49,280
these things or

1335
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,319
perhaps even open up the doorway if you

1336
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,119
will and allow them into our reality

1337
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:57,599
we had a uh we had a report come in

1338
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:00,319
about a month month and a half ago

1339
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,920
uh my colleague butch witkowski

1340
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,240
received the report and he went up there

1341
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,920
and checked it was in center county

1342
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:08,960
pennsylvania

1343
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:11,280
he actually went up the next day and and

1344
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,240
uh

1345
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:14,000
talked to the witnesses but it was three

1346
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:15,520
couples

1347
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,560
and they were in rothrock state park and

1348
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:20,160
they were walking on a trail

1349
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:24,240
it was um they had just walked by this

1350
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:24,960
area

1351
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:27,599
and they had to look back and this

1352
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:28,960
upright canine

1353
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:35,599
out of out of the bushes

1354
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:38,240
onto the trail and stepped forward like

1355
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,440
it was

1356
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:42,000
you know and it actually reacted like

1357
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:42,960
that after

1358
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,480
one of the women screamed

1359
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,319
so they all fought i mean all three

1360
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,319
couples saw this thing

1361
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,119
and uh they were quite freaked out they

1362
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:54,880
got a hold of butch quickly

1363
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,240
and he went up there next day and

1364
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,319
he's convinced they saw something he

1365
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,160
really is and uh

1366
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,079
you know that's the kind of stuff we've

1367
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,000
been getting now that report

1368
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,160
seemed a bit more aggressive than what

1369
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,160
we received before

1370
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,160
but you know i'm i'm not you know in a

1371
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:14,880
way i i don't want to discount it being

1372
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:17,920
an actual being that is on you know

1373
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,200
on this earth plane but like you said

1374
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:24,079
it's almost impossible to believe

1375
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,280
that unless it's some type of

1376
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:30,000
immense mutation that anything like that

1377
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:31,359
could be

1378
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:34,559
you know actually you know living or

1379
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,359
indigenous to the area

1380
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:39,280
yeah and you know moreover again you

1381
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:41,119
know with animals the study of animals

1382
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,480
we always look at physical

1383
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:43,920
characteristics but we also look at

1384
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:44,720
behaviors

1385
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,240
and animals almost all animals even

1386
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:49,920
animals that we would deem to be quote

1387
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:52,480
unquote big and scary like bears and big

1388
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,920
cats and things

1389
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,760
all of those animals are basically

1390
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:58,319
pretty shy and try to avoid contact with

1391
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,960
human

1392
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:00,880
absolutely unless they're cornered or

1393
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,240
they're protecting their young

1394
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:04,960
defending a nest or something you know

1395
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,440
they don't want any contact with us

1396
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,440
whereas the dog man you know as we

1397
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,800
talked about you know it's peeking in

1398
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,800
people's windows it's chasing people

1399
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:14,720
it's chasing cars i mean those

1400
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,520
those are not natural behaviors for any

1401
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:18,720
animal i just

1402
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,119
it seems so unnatural from top to bottom

1403
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,230
it does seem for the most part all the

1404
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,480
reports that we've received around here

1405
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:33,520
they stand the ground you know they um

1406
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,359
they they very rarely run off and uh

1407
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,280
the fact that they do that i think kind

1408
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,240
of shocks people much more than anything

1409
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:45,359
so yeah and that is not a characteristic

1410
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,240
of these

1411
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,280
these creatures i mean an actual

1412
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,319
wolf is not just gonna stand there

1413
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,319
no it's gonna it's gonna retreat it's

1414
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:56,319
gonna try it it would rather avoid

1415
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,920
we're big and scary to most things in

1416
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:59,520
the woods and i mean speaking of big and

1417
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,640
scary that's

1418
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,559
you know that's one of the stronger

1419
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,920
pieces of evidence i think

1420
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,680
with regard to bigfoot and i know some

1421
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,680
people view bigfoot as having a

1422
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:09,920
supernatural element but i think they're

1423
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,319
just undiscovered hominids or relic

1424
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,599
hominids

1425
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:16,000
and almost all the bigfoot sightings

1426
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:17,440
it's pretty rare that they stand the

1427
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,800
ground they typically just

1428
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,280
retreat or move back into the woods and

1429
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:22,960
i mean look no farther than

1430
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,040
the famous patterson gimlin film i mean

1431
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:26,720
you see guys right up on it what does it

1432
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,119
do

1433
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,119
it walks off it looks over its shoulder

1434
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,440
they're not following me or whatever

1435
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:33,040
it doesn't want any contact with the

1436
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:34,480
humans and i think that's more of a

1437
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,520
natural response for any animal

1438
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,119
yeah and and by the way you're going to

1439
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,800
be appearing at the pennsylvania

1440
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:43,040
uh bigfoot camping adventure again this

1441
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,240
month

1442
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:46,319
and maybe you now finally get to be able

1443
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,920
to meet

1444
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,800
[Laughter]

1445
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,800
uh that would be great man yeah had some

1446
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:52,480
chances but it's always tough to get

1447
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:53,359
together but

1448
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,559
i'm really looking forward to that that

1449
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,800
should be a good time uh so

1450
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,640
what are your thoughts on the future

1451
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,200
bigfoot research and investigations

1452
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,839
are we ever going to come up with any

1453
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:05,760
type of definitive evidence

1454
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:09,200
that these beings do exist

1455
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:12,640
um well i'm optimistic i i i'm 90

1456
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:15,280
percent convinced they do exist

1457
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:18,880
i'm 95 convinced that they are

1458
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:21,599
flesh and blood you know animals or

1459
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,880
hominids

1460
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,720
um they're i think they're probably

1461
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,400
getting rarer because

1462
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,720
like most like a lot of species as their

1463
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:30,559
habitat is destroyed and

1464
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:33,760
deforestation but the way i always

1465
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:35,760
explain it to people is i think that

1466
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,960
bigfoot has a number of behavioral

1467
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:39,839
patterns that

1468
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,839
are kind of geared towards avoid

1469
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,280
competition with humans

1470
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:45,599
they specifically avoid us they go in

1471
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,200
the deepest parts of the wilderness we

1472
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,040
don't typically go

1473
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,440
they're nocturnal they're nomadic and

1474
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:53,520
when they sense is coming they move off

1475
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:56,480
quickly or disappear into the woods and

1476
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:57,200
so i mean

1477
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,559
you know but ultimately there have to be

1478
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,640
in order for bigfoot to be a relic

1479
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:04,240
hominid and who have survived so long

1480
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,400
there have to be at least

1481
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,559
thousands of them in north america and

1482
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,319
you know probably low thousands but you

1483
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,559
can take a number anywhere between 1500

1484
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,960
and a few thousand it's all speculation

1485
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:16,880
so there's a lot there are enough of

1486
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:18,000
them to say

1487
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,839
that you know at some point it seems

1488
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:21,280
like we would get some definitive

1489
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,480
evidence

1490
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,200
now i'm always encouraging people to go

1491
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,599
out and look for physical remains

1492
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,200
even though physical remains can be hard

1493
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:30,800
to find in the woods

1494
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,760
but it's all about where you look if

1495
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,520
someone could for example if someone can

1496
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:36,880
a researcher can safely

1497
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,760
access safely illegally access a cave

1498
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,760
system

1499
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,920
i mean a lot of remarkable disc hominid

1500
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:45,680
discoveries have been made in caves over

1501
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:50,160
recent years homogenous the denisovans

1502
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:53,200
so that's where hominid fossils will you

1503
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:54,079
know

1504
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,760
if you if you found a

1505
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:02,160
hominid femur somewhere in utah in a

1506
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,920
cave even if we're thousands of years

1507
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,280
old that would be pretty compelling

1508
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,960
evidence that bigfoot's real because at

1509
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,960
least it would put hominids

1510
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:10,800
archaic accommodates in north america at

1511
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,160
that time right

1512
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:15,040
um photographic evidence i think is

1513
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:16,559
going to be a challenge from here on out

1514
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,440
because

1515
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:20,160
you know it's just so hard or so easy

1516
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,040
i'm sorry

1517
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:23,680
so easy for people these days to fake

1518
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:24,480
fabricate

1519
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,440
doctor photographic evidence and i think

1520
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:29,200
you know no matter how good a photo was

1521
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:31,040
of an alleged bigfoot it would always be

1522
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,720
in dispute because

1523
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,800
you know it theoretically could have

1524
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,440
been fabricated or manufactured

1525
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,520
i think dna evidence and technology in

1526
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,800
that in that realm is

1527
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,119
is pretty exciting um you know you have

1528
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:45,920
the e-dna now where they can literally

1529
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:48,319
you know take a water sample and and you

1530
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:49,599
know map

1531
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:51,040
different animals that have drunk out of

1532
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:53,680
that water and left traces behind or

1533
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,760
yeah that's pretty interesting in itself

1534
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:00,319
the only challenge with that is is that

1535
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,880
dna is a comparative science where you

1536
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,920
you know they draw

1537
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,400
databases where they have you know

1538
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:08,319
thousands of types of different

1539
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:11,599
dna strains or genomes and

1540
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:13,119
you know if you found something new and

1541
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,640
unknown it wouldn't

1542
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,640
pop out in big red letters and say

1543
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:18,079
bigfoot

1544
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,079
probably you would get a number of

1545
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:22,480
hominid type markers it might read

1546
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,920
human gorilla chimp human orangutan

1547
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:27,040
gorilla you know

1548
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,880
it would give you a lot of vomited kind

1549
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:30,880
of hits or or matches

1550
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:34,640
but but i think with the technology

1551
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,920
getting better

1552
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:37,359
and i think with a lot of dedicated

1553
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,799
researchers out there in the field

1554
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:40,720
looking you know i'm optimistic ron that

1555
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,200
that

1556
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:42,960
at some point we will get some physical

1557
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,960
evidence

1558
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,559
well at least i hope so you know my i

1559
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,240
had my sighting back in

1560
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,240
oh 38 years ago it doesn't seem that

1561
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,079
long ago uh i

1562
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,920
i know there's something out there i

1563
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:55,200
have lots of questions

1564
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:58,480
as well uh you know

1565
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:01,680
i know what i saw i just you know but

1566
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:02,000
it's

1567
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,119
uh the i guess the big question is

1568
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:07,040
what exactly are these things there's

1569
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:08,559
something out there yeah

1570
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:11,359
yeah what are they and where are they

1571
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:12,000
yeah

1572
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:15,440
absolutely yep

1573
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:18,839
so um you know you you've written four

1574
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:21,599
books and uh

1575
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,559
which well i read them all but the great

1576
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:25,839
books uh

1577
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:28,400
your encounters with flying humanoids

1578
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:29,119
and uh

1579
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:33,839
imaginary menagerie of mysterious

1580
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,920
i i've actually read both i've read them

1581
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,520
both twice they're very good they're

1582
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:39,119
great for reference

1583
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,559
do you have a book in the works

1584
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,880
yeah i do and you know as before we move

1585
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,240
on to that i just want to

1586
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:48,160
you know tip my hat to you and thank you

1587
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,000
because you did contribute to

1588
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:52,559
my last book quite a bit you said sent

1589
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,160
me some great uh

1590
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,760
accounts and things that i was able to

1591
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:57,599
follow up on and so those were some

1592
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,640
some pretty cool uh subjects

1593
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,400
i am working on a new book it's

1594
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:04,799
exclusively a bigfoot book

1595
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:07,920
um i was never sure until now whether i

1596
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,319
would

1597
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:11,200
have enough to offer to put in a bigfoot

1598
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,480
book because there are so

1599
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:14,480
many excellent bigfoot books out there

1600
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:16,000
and many of them written by

1601
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:18,880
my colleagues and you know the the

1602
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,960
pioneers of the field

1603
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:23,520
but i think it's a good time to kind of

1604
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,319
refresh

1605
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:26,640
and kind of look back and look forward

1606
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:29,200
at the same time

1607
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,599
there are a lot of there's a lot of new

1608
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,440
blood in the bigfoot field

1609
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:35,680
uh a lot of them coming in in recent

1610
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,640
years

1611
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:38,480
and i'm finding that a lot of them don't

1612
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:40,960
have the foundational

1613
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:44,079
knowledge in terms of the history

1614
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,359
what biology has been discerned by real

1615
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,040
academics through different scientific

1616
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:51,040
studies and

1617
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:52,319
of course i'll talk about my own

1618
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,599
research and experiences

1619
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,599
i'm going to talk about little foot

1620
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,520
because i do get a lot of accounts just

1621
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,760
as many accounts of the little hairy

1622
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,839
man-like creatures as opposed to bigfoot

1623
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,760
so there's there seem to be at least

1624
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:07,920
at least one type that's very small and

1625
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,799
they're not talked about very often

1626
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:12,160
so yeah there's gonna be a lot of cool

1627
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:13,359
angles but that's what i'm working on

1628
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:14,799
now is the new bigfoot book

1629
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,920
it'll probably be ready later this year

1630
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,599
i'm shooting for like september

1631
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,160
so i'm about halfway done and i'm moving

1632
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:24,319
through it as quick as i can

1633
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,160
great i look forward to reading that um

1634
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:30,720
now you you've investigated almost every

1635
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,680
unexplained anthony faces planet

1636
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:35,440
what's your favorite critic being a

1637
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,119
phenomena

1638
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,960
no it's always it's always such a tough

1639
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:40,480
question a lot of people ask me that

1640
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:43,599
um a lot but you know i have so many

1641
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,720
favorites

1642
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:47,200
um but of course i'm indebitively linked

1643
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:48,720
to the

1644
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:51,839
thunderbird flying encrypted

1645
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,559
world not just mothman but i've

1646
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:56,160
interviewed so many thunderbird

1647
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:57,599
witnesses

1648
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,480
you know what appear to be living

1649
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:04,960
pterosaurs flying reptiles which

1650
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:07,359
that's another subject and you know

1651
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,119
these things seem to be popping up

1652
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:11,440
all over the place yeah they are there's

1653
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,119
been a rash in georgia lately

1654
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:15,280
and i'm getting reports from oklahoma

1655
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,480
and all over

1656
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,640
um but a lot of the winged cryptids are

1657
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:20,640
kind of near and dear to my heart

1658
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,079
and i'm i'm really feel a debt

1659
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,400
to all of the eyewitnesses that have

1660
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:27,760
reached out to me and shared their

1661
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:29,440
stories because these are

1662
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,599
very credible people that have had

1663
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:33,200
remarkable experiences they can't

1664
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,400
explain

1665
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:36,720
and you know they just like anybody that

1666
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:37,839
has an experience

1667
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,640
you know like this they need some

1668
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:42,480
measure of closure they need some

1669
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:43,200
answers

1670
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,520
and i can i can't say that that i'm the

1671
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,920
one to provide those but

1672
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:50,160
you know when you've seen something and

1673
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,520
because you have seen something

1674
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,119
along these lines you understand this

1675
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,119
relate to this you see something that

1676
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:56,880
doesn't fit within the context or the

1677
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:59,520
paradigm of what's supposed to exist

1678
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:01,359
you know that's that's a pretty

1679
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:03,920
impactful thing and uh we definitely

1680
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:04,720
need to

1681
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:06,240
to keep up the search and look for

1682
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,359
answers well i i must admit you got me

1683
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,359
hooked on the flying phenomena because i

1684
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,720
read big bird

1685
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:15,119
modern signs of flying monsters many

1686
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:15,920
moons ago

1687
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,359
and uh that kind of got me going as far

1688
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:21,280
as the flying

1689
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,440
cryptids um i suggest anybody they find

1690
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,960
the book to get it i'm quite sure it's

1691
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:28,400
on amazon

1692
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:31,680
but i think i wrote it back in 2007

1693
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:34,799
it was uh it's a great book thank you

1694
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:36,559
man i appreciate that it probably needs

1695
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:38,240
a revision at this point so much has

1696
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:38,640
changed

1697
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,680
but there has been a lot of change

1698
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,440
all my books are available on amazon if

1699
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,040
someone wants to pick up a copy

1700
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:47,119
if someone wants to a signed copy they

1701
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:48,799
can contact me through facebook or

1702
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,359
whatever

1703
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:51,760
email and i'd be happy to to try to get

1704
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,200
them an autograph copy somehow

1705
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:57,839
so uh besides what's going on the end of

1706
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:00,640
the month up in pennsylvania what

1707
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:04,319
what shows or cons do you have

1708
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,599
scheduled to appear at uh well i have a

1709
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:09,359
couple of other tv appearances lined up

1710
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,880
for this summer but i can't talk about

1711
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,760
those yet but those are

1712
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,960
coming up during the summer guest

1713
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:15,119
appearances on a couple of shows oh good

1714
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:15,920
um as far as

1715
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,119
conferences uh mid-june

1716
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,200
we are doing the legend of boggy creek

1717
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:23,760
festival [\h__\h] monster festival

1718
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:25,280
uh it's going to be a pretty big deal

1719
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:26,799
down in falcon arkansas

1720
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,359
it's already sold out but basically they

1721
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,440
have done a digitally remastered version

1722
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:33,359
of the legend of boggy creek

1723
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,799
this is the daughter of the original

1724
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:36,240
director charles pierce her name is

1725
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,440
pamela pierce

1726
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:39,359
so the tiny town of fox arkansas that's

1727
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,640
going to be a pretty fun

1728
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,640
kind of bigfoot related event if anyone

1729
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:44,480
is a fan of the legend of boggy creek

1730
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,520
movie

1731
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:48,000
um and the end of june i'm going to be

1732
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,359
at mid-south

1733
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,680
in louisville kentucky which is mostly a

1734
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:53,359
paranormal conference but uh

1735
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,079
charlie raymond and myself will be there

1736
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,240
talking about cryptids

1737
01:01:01,430 --> 01:01:00,640
and then i think i have a pretty big gap

1738
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,440
until

1739
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:03,119
probably september and then i'll have a

1740
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:04,799
lot of events kind of rolling up in

1741
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:07,920
september and october

1742
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:09,520
excellent well we'll be looking out for

1743
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:11,200
you and uh

1744
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:14,799
hopefully we can talk soon in person

1745
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:18,160
and uh that'd be great so ken thanks

1746
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:21,200
again for coming on the show

1747
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:23,280
thank you lon uh you're always a

1748
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:24,880
wonderful and gracious host very

1749
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,680
knowledgeable

1750
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,680
and man the time just flies by we'll

1751
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,359
have to do that

1752
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:31,520
you take care now all right you take

1753
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,789
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1754
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,799
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1755
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,280
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1756
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,520
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1757
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:45,520
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1758
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:46,640
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1759
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:48,160
if you have an unexplained encounter or

1760
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:49,680
something feel free to contact me

1761
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:52,079
through the famous monsters blog site i

1762
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,040
want to again

1763
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:55,440
thank ken gerhart for joining me this

1764
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:56,720
evening and i want to thank you for

1765
01:02:04,829 --> 01:01:57,920
listening to the show

1766
01:02:04,839 --> 01:02:09,400
weekend

1767
01:02:09,410 --> 01:02:28,020
[Music]

1768
01:02:28,030 --> 01:02:46,829
[Applause]